• Gerson Therapy

    Asked by Caterina on Friday, May 31, 2013

    Gerson Therapy

    Does anyone know if Dr Wilko Van der Vegt has a good reputation concerning in curing patients with the Gerson Therapy?

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    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      I don't know this doctor but Gerson therapy is based on amusing the patient while Nature provides a cure.

      http://www.youtube.com/v/DoUl7F7dWdE?version=3&hl=nl_NL&rel=0

      Amongst the things I first looked into when I (finally) got a diagnosis was a good juicer.

      I eventually decided on an Omega rather than the pricy Norwalk because I did not yet know if I would continue with the life style change. Keeping the Norwalk clean and ready is a job. There is also a job with the Omega but not quite as big of a one.

      You can check Max Gerson's or his daughter's books online or at the library. There are several therapy centers which incorporate Gerson's teachings. I don't know where you are but there is a Wellness center in Sedona, AZ and Hippocrates Health Institute in WPB, FL and Optimum Wellness in San Diego and Austin and Living Health Institute in Atlanta, GA.

      You can do it at home but you need help from your family and friends. Here is a page from somebody's blog who says she helped a friend who used the Gerson Therapy successfully:

      http://www.seabuckthorn.net/index.php/?p=145

      over 3 years ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      Ooopsies. You will hear about Dr. Wilko Van der Vegt around 32 minutes into the film. :-)

      http://www.youtube.com/v/DoUl7F7dWdE?version=3&hl=nl_NL&rel=0

      Best healthy wishes,
      http://www.etsy.com/shop/rawmaven

      over 3 years ago
    • fusilier's Avatar
      fusilier

      The technical term for Gerson therapy is useless quackery, see:
      http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/gerson/patient/page1

      fusilier
      James 2:24

      over 3 years ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      Just because the FDA doesn't approve a therapy, fusilier, doesn't make it quackery or useless. People said that about hifu.to before the FDA approved it and it works just fine with many less side effects than conventional radiotion/chemotherapy.

      Gerson is difficult to follow because it is unlike anything mainstream but its real crime is using materials which are not patentable. Using food as therapy does not make the therapy quackery.

      over 3 years ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      sorries:

      www.hifu.ca

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_focused_ultrasound

      This sort of therapy has been around since the 30s and was called quackery for the longest time but name calling doesn't at all make it quackery, after all.

      I've a living and healthy pal who spent 24k several years ago to head up to Canada for this treatment.. He is just fine now and, according to his wife, none the worse for wear. I've heard it said that this sort of 'quackery' is over 90% effective and has many fewer side effects than convention not quackery.

      over 3 years ago
    • Myturn's Avatar
      Myturn

      In addition to what geekling stated, fusilier, many folks don't have any option other than non-traditional therapy. For some, it isn't offered. They just call Hospice for you, if you are lucky. Usually you have to make the call. For others, it comes down to quality of life. "Do I want to be disfigured, disabled and in pain for a long time, or comfortable for a little while"? Maybe an alternative will help just a little bit, or make me feel better.

      I, personally, used an alternative treatment while I was being poked and prodded. I refused chemo and radiation. I went to another hospital and they did surgery. All seems good now. They want to see me in a year. Some say it was prayer. Some say it was luck. I don't discuss my alternative treatment often, or with many people. I won't do it here. There are too many stereotypes about alternative treatments on cancer forums. I'd do exactly the same thing again.

      I do know that almost every chemotherapy drug and almost every form of radiation treatments are carcinogens! The American Cancer Society states that at least 20% of all secondary cancers are caused by chemo or radiation treatments from a previous cancer. They have their place when used properly and with the full knowledge of the patient about their effectiveness and side effects.

      Alternative treatments don't always work. Chemo and radiation don't always work. To deny someone the hope that an alternative treatment may work is similar to denying that traditional treatment may work. "It may not work, therefore it shouldn't be done at all." Would you deny a dying child in Ethiopia a "Medicine Man"? Every situation is different. You have every right to express your opinion. You have no right to remove the hope from someone who may have no other choice. Just think about the way that you present your case. It may hurt someone. There are living people who would tell you that Gerson Therapy works. Telling them that their life is based on "quackery" is similar to telling chemo and radiation patients that every dose increases your chances of another cancer popping up someday. If there was a cure, this forum wouldn't exist.

      over 3 years ago
    • fusilier's Avatar
      fusilier

      My research publications are in ultrasound imaging for the diagnosis of breast cancer. Among the individuals I was lucky enough to work alongside were Professors Frank Fry and Narendra Sanghvi. They were pioneers in focused ultrasound ablation techniques on tumors, back in the 1970s and '80s.

      I've also done clinical trials and FDA compliance work. So I understand the science behind the technology and therapy referenced, and what it takes to demonstrate safety and efficacy.

      There does not exist any science behind coffee enemas and massive doses of vitamins and "dietary supplements."

      In terms of cost, the NICCAM study on the Gerson approach showed that science-based medicine was actually less expensive over the course of treatment. If someone claims a "90% cure rate," then why can't they show their work? I had to.

      Finally, consider the distinction between hope and false hope.

      fusilier
      James 2:24

      over 3 years ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      A man named Royal Rife invented a frequency healing machine in the early 1900s. He was sent 16 uncurable patients. Each patient was made well with no side effects and Rife was lauded as a miracle healer until ... he decided to give away his technology at cost and to not partner up with the then head of Sloan Kettering. Within a month or so Rife's lab exploded, he was ridiculed and reviled and the gov't collected his 14 machines and took them away.

      Rife disappeared. He reappeared in the late 60s - early 70s with liver disease from years of drinking, was hospitalized, and died in hospital from a mysterious overdose of vallium while in hospital. Go figure.

      If you are going to research, fusilier, go to the origins of work.

      There will not ever be a way to quantify the value of excellent nutrition. You will find that you are unable to patent the synergistic effect of eating dandelion leaves along with watercress and beets served with a vinegarette of grapes, walnuts and herbs. At the same time, the immediate good effect of eating said salad on a patient is spectacular. There are those who say that 98% of disease is nutritional (lack of nutrition) in origin. Some of them are professor emeritis. Basically, there is no profit unless there is a synthethic something or other which can be patented.

      Consider that when you venture to hear an orchestra, a quieted flute can make or break the piece and its effect on you. There is, however, no scientific way to quantify or prove that the sound of timpany will improve a listening experience. How do you scientifically explain that you'd rather hear a live orchestra with a noted conductor than step into an elevator and listen to canned pitch?

      As Hamlet spake: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

      over 3 years ago
    • Myturn's Avatar
      Myturn

      While it is great that you have experience in cancer diagnosis and treatment, your opinion is still your opinion. The opinion of two oncologists was that I will not live to see this Christmas without radiation and two chemotherapy drugs, about six months ago. I think that they were wrong. I'm going back to work next month. I would not be going back to work next month with the poison that they prescribed and I WILL see NEXT Christmas!

      "There does not exist any science behind" the alternative treatment that I chose, along with surgery. There is only anecdotal evidence, because the treatment studies will not be funded. The money goes into more research into what we have been doing for decades. Many types of cancer show no indication of an improved treatment schedule, or show an increase in incidence and/or death rates. This is after decades and decades of billions and billions of dollars. Why not spend a few bucks somewhere else? Why do I have to go to Europe to get thermal treatments? Is everything that isn't allowed in the U.S. "quackery"? Why do I have to accept therapy that I know will kill perfectly healthy cells in my body?

      "There does not exist any science behind" the possibility that your radiation and chemo treatments will not kill you during or after your "treatment". You have the right to take that chance. Should I not have the right to look elsewhere? There wasn't any "science behind" antibiotics before the Civil War. There wasn't any "science behind" a lot of things 1, 5, 10 years ago!

      I'd rather pay a little more for good food than cheap poison, thank you.

      If you are paid, with government dollars, from taxpayer dollars, to do a study, you have to "show your work". When you are branded a quack and given nothing except faith to work with, you don't have to. The ACS "cannot explain" why Gerson Therapy extends life in some cases. Everyone can explain why chemo and radiation extends life sometimes. It kills every new cell that is trying to be created.

      I have REAL hope!

      over 3 years ago
    • Myturn's Avatar
      Myturn

      Oh, I forgot.

      I had no hope when they said that I would be on a feeding tube right now because the radiation treatments would not have allowed me to swallow.

      I had no hope when I considered that chemo would cause me to vomit hydrochloric acid over the burned flesh in my throat.

      I had no hope when I saw the look on my dentist's face when he knew why I was there. We are friends. He was afraid of my treatments when he had to prep me for radiation treatments.

      I ONLY found hope in another way. Some people have to. You have your choice. Everyone is allowed their own.

      over 3 years ago

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