• Guyabano

    Asked by carm on Monday, July 16, 2018

    Guyabano

    Has anyone used this fruit to fight cancer, or does anyone know anything about it?

    35 Answers from the Community

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    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      Do you mean, perhaps, guanabana?

      3 months ago
    • carm's Avatar
      carm

      @geekling,
      Not sure but it also goes by the name Soursop. My patient spelled it to me as I wrote in the post and the spelling looks correct. I have no data on this fruit and no studies have been done to show efficacy. I'm just wondering if anyone has tried this as he claims a friend has had great success with it but was advised by his oncologist not to use the fruit because it might effect his chemo. Do you know of anyone who has first hand use if this fruit?

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      Yes. I do.

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      Soursop and guanabana are the same. It also goes by other names.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soursop

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/herbs/graviola

      The fruit is delicious. It should not be juiced. The whole flesh or pulp is wonderful.

      3 months ago
    • carm's Avatar
      carm

      It was a Memorial Sloane Kettering Cancer Center oncologist who advised against it. If you know some one who took it, what was their experience?

      3 months ago
    • barryboomer's Avatar
      barryboomer

      Carm....why did they advise against a Fruit. BTW do you or does anybody have cancer experience? I appreciate you being here and wondered how you found our Group. Thanks and you do a great job.

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      The experience is/was a positive one, carm.

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      I, too, have the same question.

      Why would a doctor advise a patient to not eat fruit?

      3 months ago
    • LiveWithCancer's Avatar
      LiveWithCancer

      https://www.cancercenter.com/discussions/blog/experts-warn-against-soursop-fruit-to-fight-cancer/

      Here is an article that explains why the Sloan Kettering MD might be warning against trying to treat cancer with soursop.

      The last two paragraphs of the article state,

      "When used orally, soursop is classified as likely unsafe, said Kellman, citing two studies. Eating the fruit could lead to movement disorders similar to Parkinson's disease, according to a case-control study in the French West Indies. In addition, a study suggests tea made for the leaves and stems of graviola is associated with neurotoxicity.

      In general, some cancer patients use herbal supplements to relieve their symptoms and to treat their cancer. Herbal supplements, though, are not a substitute for mainstream cancer care. What's more, using herbal supplements while undergoing chemotherapy could reduce the efficacy of chemotherapeutic agents due to possible herb-drug interactions."

      (The Kellman quoted is Daniel Kellman, Clinical Director of Naturopathic Medicine at a hospital outside Atlanta.)

      I suspect it might be the very last sentence that explains the primary reason why the MD would warn against the fruit, though I could be very wrong.

      It's just me, but if my MD who is good enough to be a Sloan Kettering doctor, one of the foremost hospitals in the United States, told me to avoid a fruit (or most anything else), I would likely trust him over some hyped up articles that say it cures cancer...

      3 months ago
    • carm's Avatar
      carm

      Barry, I came on this site around 2010. I am an oncology nurse and I offer my services to anyone in need of medical explanations regarding treatments or the disease. I am member of the Oncology Nursing Society with prior experience in pain management, chemotherapy and radiotherapy and extensive experience in End ofLife care. I hold a Masters in Nursing Education and minored in Genetics/Genomics. I was One of three nurses in the nation awarded the Cure Magazine Extraordinary Healer Award. So that is my experience...I just want to be of help to anyone who needs it. I work during the day counseling patients on the east coast for a major insurance company. Being on this site helps to sharpen my skills and I learn so much from the members here. You are all my best resources. I hope this answers your question.

      As to why an MD or Institution would not endorse this fruit, it is not approved by the FDA as a safe alternative. It can interfere with the potency of the chemotherapy. LiveWithCancer is correct...it is a risky move and I have yet to find one patient with a positive response.

      3 months ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool

      LiveWithCancer, I soooo agree!

      3 months ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      Some very normal foods interact with medication of all kinds especially some sorts of chemo. My Dr. told me not to eat grapefruit or drink grapefruit juice. Of course that was a moot point as a week later the put me on a feeding tube, and since surgery citrus causes acid reflux

      3 months ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      I saw this fruit at the snouty grocery store that my brother shops at. It seems that it is the newest highbrow thing.

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      It is just a food. It is eaten all over the world. The fruit is delicious. Eating a fruit hasnt ever hurt anyone of whom I can think. When one takes it as a protocol, however, there are many ways for it to clash with medications. The leaves as well as the fruit can be used medicinally.

      The wellness protocol is a tad complicated, takes between 6 weeks and 1 1/2 years and cannot be done if one is taking COQ10 or eating chicken. It also treats malaria and certain parasites but of course only outside the United States.

      One doesnt, however, use fruit orally. One eats a fruit.

      When I was a kid we went blueberry picking. I ate so many blueberries so fast that I got a tummy ache but I would not go so far as to say that blueberries cause tummyaches.

      I would believe that the doctor doesnt know much about food just as I dont know much about chemotherapy. Soursop taste sort if like a combo of canteloupe and strawberries.

      A brilliant Professor emeritus once said that wherever Nature puts a poison she also puts a remedy. Scuentists, however, are quick to use singular extracts and concentrates which can dull and remove or discount Nature's kindness and brilliance. Dr. Lustig runs or ran the pediatric liver center at UCSF.

      3 months ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool

      geekling (and I know that what I'm saying now isn't original), nature can be "red in tooth and claw." Asbestos is natural. Many plants look harmless but are deadly - and some inflict terrible pain and lesions if touched even slightly. Tobacco is natural. Carnivores aren't kind to their prey. Etc. When praising "Mom Nature," remember that moms can kill, too.

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      Asbestos is not a food. Tobacco will not kill you. Without all the added chemicals from industry, it, tobacco, isn't even really all that addictive but I will agree with you that tobacco leaves can be terrible if one eats them, if one uses them as a chew, if one smokes them excessively.. if you ever have some time off, get out of Brooklyn and take a subway or drive up to the Bronx and visit The Cloisters where you will see herbs there that you've never even heard of that men that used to use as medicine and to make food taste good. As a matter of fact marijuana was a very important tool in ancient medicine and even up to the last century. All I'm saying is don't kick it till you've tried it

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      Er, assuming the Cloisters still exists. I sure hope so. It was/is a wonderful resource.

      3 months ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool

      geeeeeeeekling, I KNOW that asbestos isn't a food. You seem to have not-so-adroitly side-stepped my point (your frequent ploy when challenged). And please don't tell me how to use my time. I don't have to visit the Cloisters to see nature; I can armchair-travel thriugh nature through the Internet and by reading books. And, since you brought up Brooklyn, I can go to the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens. Oh, fuggeddaboudit.

      3 months ago
    • LiveWithCancer's Avatar
      LiveWithCancer

      @Carool, : )

      3 months ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool
      3 months ago
    • LiveWithCancer's Avatar
      LiveWithCancer

      I read this when I researching about all fruits being good for you. Not that you need it, but it corroborates what you said,

      "The idea that all natural things are good for you is rubbish. We are eating [fruits and] vegetables that potentially contain bad things," Peter Spencer, professor of neurology and occupational health sciences at Oregon Health and Science University, tells CNN. Many plants "were not put here for our benefit but to protect themselves from predators,” he adds."

      https://www.treehugger.com/green-food/8-poisonous-fruits-and-vegetables-avoid.html

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      Stop putting words in my mouth, Livewith.

      I never said that ALL fruit is edible. You made that assumption as did Carool. I also do not remember using the word 'natural' which, IMHO, has been so misused as to become meaningless.

      I never said that ALL of Nature's bounty is edible. Asbestos, BTW, although not a food, is found in rocks. It took purposeful work to take the asbestos out of the rocks, i.e. separate the poison from the protection.

      The Cloisters is not Nature. It is a humonguous herb garden planted and tended to by monks. Same with the Botanical Gardens despite their great beauty because it was built, put togerher, and tended by man in a different way than Nature organizes.

      If you ever left Brooklyn, which I dont expect you will Carool, and that is entirely your choice as to how to live your life, you might understand the difference between wilderness and land rearranged by men. I submit that if you knew anything about Nature, you would know better than to eat of plants you are unable to identify.

      What the heck is your point(s) other than to disparage me?

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      And, BTW, carm, you found me and I know others as well.

      And Carool, I was not telling you what to do or trying to rule your life in any way. I simply made a sugfestion. Take it or leave it. Doesnt much matter to me what you do or how you spend your time, does it?

      3 months ago
    • LiveWithCancer's Avatar
      LiveWithCancer

      Oops. I forgot to say that my comment was to @Carool. So sorry that you thought it was directed to you, Geek.

      3 months ago
    • LiveWithCancer's Avatar
      LiveWithCancer

      Haha, I thought I knew what nature was... But, then I learn that a humongous herb garden isn't nature... sigh. And, then I learn the Botanical Gardens are also not nature ... I always thought I was enjoying nature when I go to the Arboretum here. I love it there. It feels like nature to me.

      I was so very confused that I decided to look up the word nature. I'm pretty old to not know what nature is ...

      I was gratified to see that nature is "the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations." (of course, I also believe in the term 'human nature' ... so I don't know where that comes into the discussion) or "Nature, in the broadest sense, is equivalent to the natural world, physical world, or material world." or "the term "nature" may refer to living plants and animals, geological processes, weather, and physics, such as matter and energy."

      FINALLY, I saw that sometimes nature "refers to the "natural environment" or wilderness—wild animals, rocks, forest, beaches, and in general areas that have not been substantially altered by humans, or which persist despite human intervention."

      I call the latter "wilderness" and "plants, animals, landscape, etc." nature. Maybe it makes a difference if it is Nature that we are discussing compared to nature???

      3 months ago
    • carm's Avatar
      carm

      @geekling,
      Let me just say that I put this question out to anyone with any experience with this fruit so I don't understand what you meant by, "I found you." of course you are all free to dialogue with each other after all, this is an open forum. I was just looking for someone with a personal experience. I have to go with the science...I can't tell someone that They should experiment with a natural fruit that has not been endorsed by the FDA or recommended by ASCO or the NCCN. I speak with physicians over seas twice a week and even there, they see more of a risk than a benefit to this fruit. There are many plants that are dangerous and many that are beneficial. Shitake mushrooms can be a benefit to men with prostate cancer and yet some mushrooms are lethal. Docetaxel and Paclitaxel are made from the Yew tree. Some drugs interact with others and so I assume that plants have that same propensity. Cancer is a disease of first choices where those initial decisions regarding treatment can really impact the journey...personally, we're it me, I would look toward the data to substantiate a claim before I made that decision. I would hope that everyone here is making INFORMED decisions. I have a luxury of standing on the sidelines...I am not on the battlefield...but I AM on the team and my role is to advocate for those in my care and make sure they are educated on their choices. I support whatever decisions they make as long as they are informed. I'm not choosing any side here in this discussion. I'm merely trying to give an end-stage pancreatic cancer patient an answer to an option.

      3 months ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool

      @geekling, you mentioned "Nature's kindness and brilliance." I was responding to that idea when I mentioned that nature is not only kind; nature can be very unkind.

      And I leave Brooklyn every other day, when I go to Manhattan. I sometimes even visit friends in NJ!

      I don't "eat of" any wild plants. Some very dangerous plants look beguiling and mild. People don't have to eat them to get hurt, just brush against them (some of these plants even have tiny bristles that can be breathed in).

      I'll stop responding to you. Be well.

      3 months ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool

      @LiveWithCancer, thank you for the definitions. I love animals and I enjoy seeing plants, but mostly in nature but not in the "wilderness."

      3 months ago
    • carm's Avatar
      carm

      So @geekling, have you personally eaten this, and has it positively effected your cancer? Has your doctor endorsed it? If there are others have they had the same positive effect?

      3 months ago
    • cards7up's Avatar
      cards7up

      MSK has their own herb website. Did you check it? Graviola is one of the other names.
      https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/herbs/graviola

      3 months ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      I have already told you, carm, that I do have personal experience with guanabana.

      You need to look up my history. I do not have cancer. I had a cancer tumor which a plethora of doctors were unable to diagnose over the course of 13 long years despite my pointing to it and asking what the growth was and if it could be removed. That was 16 years ago.

      I knew something was wrong but I had no idea what. I knew that the happy pills the doctors all wanted me to take were not going to help me. I refused Welbuterin, Lexapro, and a bunch of others. Despite me not knowing what my health challenge was, I knew I was in trouble. I believe that I was hurt because I was breathing poisonous air and being denied enough oxygen. We did not know there was toxic mold behind some of the walls and in the attic crawl space. The house insurer tried to save itself a little money by continuing to give us incorrect instructions on how to prevent mold after storm damage. I was eventually radiated 5 years before the mold was discovered.

      My Mom died in that house. Over the course of those 13 years I not only stayed alive but also kept the tumor at bay. In the end, I had to gain 65 pounds and grow the tumor along with the rest of me in order to be taken seriously by anyone in medicine. Despite that time and weight, the tumor was only, perhaps, a stage 2. I do not require a doctor's endorsement to be my own lab rat. I have always found that, regarding food and nutrition, US doctors are several steps behind me. The few really intelligent and good ones I have found had always tried to help and support me.

      I tried a lot of things of which you have likely not ever heard including guanabana. Of course I had no clue about cancer or mold and thought I was perhaps fighting some sort of parasite or ...

      You can buy guanabana at any market which has a fresh or frozen ethnic section. Outside of the US it is quite well known.

      Look up AHCC. It is a combo of fermented mushrooms. I still use reishi, maitake, shitaki upon occasion. I drink the occasional cup of chaga. I had to stay alive somehow. Medicine was not my friend but Nature was and still is to this day.

      It isnt your job, is it, to tell anyone what they should or shouldnt do? Carool misunderstood that I was doing that to her. When I write, I am only telling my story and pointing out that if it worked for me it might work for someone else too.

      Good night.

      3 months ago
    • po18guy's Avatar
      po18guy (Best Answer!)

      Quackery alert! I look at the cancer rates where people use such things daily - and fine that cancer rates are similar to other populations. If green stuff was so utterly effective, no one who eats it would have cancer. Sadly, we are not seeing that.

      True believers can and do lead others to a premature death at no risk to themselves! Show me the scientific evidence that it has a positive effect!

      It sounds like it may inhibit the liver's production of CYP3A4 - an enzyme which is crucial in making the chemo availble for the body to use.

      3 months ago
    • LiveWithCancer's Avatar
      LiveWithCancer

      Hey, po18guy, how do you REALLY feel???!!! :) :)

      (I agree. Especially like this sentence and find a ton of truth in it, "True believers can and do lead others to a premature death at no risk to themselves!")

      3 months ago

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