• The way the world is today.

    Asked by PaulineJ on Thursday, October 25, 2012

    The way the world is today.

    And how men think I don't feel comfortable in being exposed to men doing the radiation to women with breast cancer.Not judging the men,but the situation.There's no more morals anymore in this world......What do you think?

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    19 answers
    • SueRae1's Avatar
      SueRae1

      I had radiation therapy for 6 weeks March/April 2011. More often then not I was given my treatment by men (though my radiation oncologist was female). My team was wonderful, and very very professional I never felt uncomfortable

      over 4 years ago
    • nancyjac's Avatar
      nancyjac

      This has nothing to do with the way the world is today or morals. We are about the same age, so I think we both remember when we were younger and 99% of doctors were men. In fact most professional jobs were held by men, because it was a society where women married, had babies, and raised children and kept house. Woman had to fight for equality in the workplace. Are you now suggesting that men should not be allowed in medical positions that treat women?

      What about women who treat men with testicular or prostate cancer? Should that be not allowed?

      My experience has been that both men and women in the medical field do a great job, not only technically, but in treating their patients with respect and doing their best at being professional in trying to make their patients as comfortable (physically, mentally, and morally) as possible. And not to sound flippant, but honestly, a male radiology tech is not very likely to be turned on by seeing the exposed breasts of women in their 60s.

      over 4 years ago
    • FreeBird's Avatar
      FreeBird

      Cultures are so different, generations change, and people have such diverse points of view, that it's difficult to be sensitive to everyone's idea of morals. In some parts of the world, a woman walks behind the man, and is not permitted to show her face. In other parts of the world, it's common for women to walk on the beach topless with the men. So, I think it's appropriate to ask if you'd feel more comfortable with a woman. At the same time, I think the vast majority of medical professionals are only thinking about the job they have to do, to deliver health care to you. Sometimes female employees, or male employees may not be available at the time you have your treatments. This is something you might address in advance if it's important to you. If you feel they have been disrespectful to you at any time, speak up. The best person to help meet your individual needs in that area is you.

      over 4 years ago
    • PaulineJ's Avatar
      PaulineJ

      I didn't mean doctors.They are technicians who do the radiation.I also worked in nursing in my days and had from children to seniors in both genders.And I didn't have any problems with it.But today there's so much going on with people that get hired in hospitals and some lie with their applications and do crazy things.Plus men don't see things like women ....They also think different..Was just wondering how others felt about the situation.No one has been disrespectful toward me.It's just my attitude.....and I will deal with it after talking to a few people and had other opinions that made me think about it more.Thanks for responding.

      over 4 years ago
    • nobrand's Avatar
      nobrand

      I have not had breast cancer nor radiation, so I may be a bit off topic-- but I must say, I have an internal sigh of relief when any doctor, nurse or technician is a woman. They are so much easier to talk to. I prefer it, so I think I may understand where you're coming from.

      However, I have never asked for one gender specifically.. I feel like I wait in the doctor's office enough as it is-- no need to complicate things! I think 99% of medical workers are there to help and have high morals in regards to their jobs, woman or man.

      over 4 years ago
    • nancyjac's Avatar
      nancyjac

      I guess I can't identify with why a male doctor is ok but a male radiology technician is not. As long as they do their job, I don't care how they think or see things. Everybody thinks and see things differently whether they are men or women. I've certainly encountered a lot of other women who think differently than I do. A radiology tech operates machinery in accordance with a doctor's orders to administer radiation treatment. That is their job whether they are male or female. How they think or see things on moral issues or anything else is irrelevant to me and none of my business. I really don't see how any of this has anything to do with morality or how the world is today (as opposed to any other time).

      over 4 years ago
    • Jess' Avatar
      Jess

      First and foremost remember why you are there, and why they are there. I am sure it is a bit embarrassing for you to have a male tech helping you into possition for your treatment. Also remember that these are highly trained people who know what they are doing, and are there to help you. Yes as a 65 year old male I find it embarrassing at time for me too, when I have only female tech helping me into possition for treatment. Men and women are both capable of having those thoughts but at my age I am sure I do not cause them to go into a frenzy of immoral thoughts. Just remember why you are there and that is to fight the monster inside you, and they are there to help you win that battle. A possitive attitude and staying focused on your treatment will help you heal faster than anything. I wish you the best of everything.

      over 4 years ago
    • Lindy's Avatar
      Lindy

      Your comfort as a person is of utmost priority. I was horrified to find my radiation squad included a male, cancer is enough, being radiated is enough. If you are uncomfortable speak up. I hated lying there with people wandering in and out as if I was a chunk of cancer on a slab. I had to wear a gown when the men kept their clothes on. Lying half naked, maimed, poisoned, now anticipating glowing in the dark while people speak of me as a target was infuriating. They even didn't use my name, I have been fed balderdash that it was to protect my privacy...this was in the chamber. Speak up. They found out that the short, bald, mortal female in their sights was ready to take them on in their own alley. Speak up.

      over 4 years ago
    • Ivy's Avatar
      Ivy

      I have mostly been treated by women experts, and the treatment has generally been excellent. However, when my radiation first started, the women nurses were unintentionally unthinking and callous, the doctor was evasive, the procedure was awful, and the only person who showed any kindness was the male radiation tech. So I'm not as quick to think anymore that I always prefer treatment by women. So I complained to the hospital and all the women started taking much better care with each treatment. When treatment was over I again contacted the hospital to ask that treatment for all women with vaginal cuff brachytherapy be modified to the way my team was capable of doing only after I complained. One shouldn't have to complain to get sensitive, individualized care. It appears that my original treatment was exactly following protocol, but the protocol is one that needs to be improved everywhere. My treatment was at a prominent, nationally-known cancer institution, so my advice is to make them treat you with kindness and consideration, especially if that isn't offered at first.

      over 4 years ago
    • ticklingcancer's Avatar
      ticklingcancer

      When I saw a surgical oncologist, I was seen by both a male and female Doctor. I had to drop trowl in front of the female Dr. Think I cared? XXX no....if you can get me through cancer....I don't care what gender you are. I had enough to worry about without adding the stress of Male vs Female whaen it came to my treatment. Just get me through cancer....

      over 4 years ago
    • booboo's Avatar
      booboo

      What on earth does radiation treatment have to do with morals?

      over 4 years ago
    • Carol-Charlie's Avatar
      Carol-Charlie

      I'm two years older than you. I feel my thoughts would be ... Lord please, let this work, let me get rid of this thing trying to kill me. The sex of the person doing the treatment would not enter my mind. (okay, maybe for a second... but not due to his 'morals') Heck if he's in this line of work... he's a saint.

      I had ovarian cancer... Stage IV. Seven years ago when I was diagnosed the tech who did the internal ultrasound happened to be a female. The head or radiology was a man about my own age. He was gentle, sweet and kind to me. I will forever be grateful for his tender care, as we never discussed the elephant in the room. Me, I lay there talking with my God. I told him I was terrified, I asked him to lead me to where He wanted me to be. He led me to today. Cancer Free.. (Just had a PET CT Scan Wednesday) yes me.... Stage IV to Cancer Free. God wants me here, and I'll gladly scream to the world. Do everything the oncologist asks of you. Get the4 treatments. Fight... It was two years of chemo for me....

      I praise God, praise the oncologist, praise the chemo nurses and staff at the clinic. AND forget about the sex of the technician.... God bless you!

      over 4 years ago
    • Maeve's Avatar
      Maeve

      I think that sometimes when a question like this is asked, that there is a meta-message of "I felt uncomfortable in this particular situation, but have generalized it, before I can figure out what is going on".
      I once was in a situation with a medical personnel that did not feel comfortable to me. Nothing specific happened. I just had a generalized feeling of being disrespected during the examination. Later it was learned that this medical person was brought up on charges. If uncomfortable, go with your gut and ask for someone else.
      If one is generally uncomfortable from a learned sense of modesty then it is ok to know this, and explain that culturally you find this process very difficult, and could you have a woman..
      I know that there was no way I was going to have a young man who knew my son, to give me a mammogram! No way. He was fine, but I could not do it. Accomodations were made.
      Hope this helps.

      over 4 years ago
    • Maeve's Avatar
      Maeve

      Perhaps instead of no more morals, what is really going on is the need for more accomodation to be made for differing degrees of learned/cultural/religious modesty.

      over 4 years ago
    • liznparadise's Avatar
      liznparadise

      When I had my first baby I hemorrhaged and was in intensive care. I remember being mortified when a male nurse was sitting at the foot of the bed and checking my pad every few minutes to see if the bleeding had slowed. Now I am 65 and have had anal cancer. My gastroenterologist, radiation oncologist and surgeon are all male. I see either the radiation oncologist or surgeon every 2 months for physical exams. Health trumps over dignity. So far all is clear, so I will endure the exams. How exciting can it be for them to have to be looking up a 65 year old woman's XXX?

      over 4 years ago
    • tomget's Avatar
      tomget

      I guess maybe we're all different about stuff like that..And its OK. Being naked for med stuff in front of the opposite sex goes both ways..Sometimes naked men can be a little put off too..And that's not a complaint..just an observation. If possible maybe you could briefly comment with the med people doing the procedure about how you feel..Nothing much will likely change, but at least they'll be aware of your discomfort..and you'll maybe be more comfortable that they know its an issue for you.

      over 4 years ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling (Best Answer!)

      I had anal cancer and was conventionally treated over a decade ago and I remember much of it like it happened yesterday. The experience was humiliating, brutal, and dehumanizing. No amount of seeming tender care and concern could or can change that.

      Cancer is a business. The people who work in it, despite any protests to the contrary, are there for the money. Every day that I reported for radiation I could not help but to think of concentration camps and their detainees and the even more horrifying truth that I had volunteered for these tortures.

      There is no escaping the fact that conventional methods try to kill a patient in the hope that the cancer will die prior to the patient expiring. Sadly, I've not been able to recover completely from my experience, both physically and emotionally. I'm not sure that anyone does.

      I don't do marathons or pink ribbon drives. I do not believe in supporting a system which has not changed its basic modus operandi since inception which was more than 60 years ago. I had opted to not treat conventionally. I changed my mind when I heard of a new chemotherapy drug which was said to be a 95% cure. I endured 16 weeks of radiation and two rounds of chemotherapy. Everyone was standoffish and completely business. I found out in the midst of treatment that the radiologist had misled me. It was too late to do anything about it as I was already quite crispy 8 weeks into radiation.

      I changed radiologists. Until that point, I had taken zero pain medications because I was able to focus on complete healing. The lie shattered my concentration and I had to argue with the new radiologist in order to get pain medication I now needed to cut the deep edge off the worst of the pains of the torture. As you may or may not know, there can come a point where one tells time from pain pill to pain pill instead of hour to hour or minute to minute.

      So I agree with you that there are no morals to cancer treatments in conventional medicine. I am positive there are perfectly natural, living plant based and relatively harmless ways to cure cancer. The fact that our government will not fund any research into this and that the pharmaceutical companies won't throw a dime where they can't make a patentable profit simply reaffirms the lack of moral compass in the treatment of those made sick by the environmental and marketed poisons (of these very same pharmaceutical companies) which abound in this corporate run world.

      Further, at the base of ALL of man's inhumanity to his fellow creatures, is in his inhumanity and mistreatment of the females of the species. We are like goddesses and our company a gift to the other half of the species. Too many men are afraid and wish to debase us in some way rather than to simply love and adore us. Sorries for the rant but I am glad to get these feelings off my chest.

      The very best revenge is to get through this and to stay healthy enough to not ever feel the need to submit for this sort of 'help' again.

      Best wishes for recovered good health.
      .

      over 4 years ago
    • PaulineJ's Avatar
      PaulineJ

      geekling....I need to thank you for your comment.It was so helpful to know I'm not alone in how I feel by a lot of things you mentioned.Thank You and God Bless you! <3 :)

      over 4 years ago
    • PaulineJ's Avatar
      PaulineJ

      geekling....Sure would like to add you to my fb friends list.

      over 4 years ago

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