• We are lifting quarantine How to you feel ?

    Asked by BoiseB on Tuesday, May 12, 2020

    We are lifting quarantine How to you feel ?

    As the quarantine is lifted do you feel
    (A) Like you have been released from prison
    or
    (B) Like your fortress is crumbling
    For me it is B.
    People have said to me if you want to stay quarantined then just stay quarantined. Well that is possible for some but not for others. My son will have to go out and work. We discussed this. It will mean that he will distance himself even more.

    66 Answers from the Community

    66 answers
    • Bengal's Avatar
      Bengal

      My county is still reporting new cases every day. Gov. Cuomo will not allow reopening until we are up to speed on testing and contact tracing. We are not! Opening will be phased in and if cases start to spike again we will back off. I will continue to self isolate and wear a mask in public until I personally feel safe to do otherwise. So, yeah, I would have to say B.

      18 days ago
    • cllinda's Avatar
      cllinda

      B. I don't plan on rushing out just to get sick. I have only been going out once a week to physical therapy. And walks to strengthen my leg. But I have been home. I don't plan on going out for at least a few weeks after things open. I don't want to get sick.

      18 days ago
    • po18guy's Avatar
      po18guy

      No real effect. I have been living a hermit's life since transplant in 2015. Maybe a return to restaurant food, but that's about it for the next two years - providing I am still here two years from now.

      18 days ago
    • JaneA's Avatar
      JaneA

      It's just my husband and me. If you're over 65 in GA, our shelter-in-place is in effect until June 12. However, as long as new cases are being reported in the counties surrounding us, we will continue to self-isolate. I order groceries for pick-up and wear a mask to go into Aldi if I really, really need something that Kroger didn't have in stock. The risk is too great until there is a vaccine or no cases within 50 miles of me. That's my personal opinion - I didn't survive Stage IV cancer to take chances now.

      18 days ago
    • GregP_WN's Avatar
      GregP_WN

      I've been isolated for 2 months now, and I've realized that this is what retirement is probably going to look like to me. And it's not bad. I could get used to this. I've gone out a couple of times, and we stopped and ate at cracker barrel yesterday on the way home, and again on the way up tonight. Very few people have masks on, people on top of each other. Kids with snotty, sniffling noses running around. I feel like I'm turning into the old man that opens the door and yells at the kids GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

      18 days ago
    • Teachertina's Avatar
      Teachertina

      I really, really need a haircut! But I’ll wait longer until the mad rush at the salon dies down some after they open. I did trim the hair falling in my face, but not brave enough to tackle the rest! Lol! So it’s B for me!

      18 days ago
    • Bug's Avatar
      Bug

      B

      18 days ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool

      Here in NYC/Brooklyn we won’t be out of quarantine anytime soon. I am venturing a little further away from our apartment, to walk to the Trader Joe’s eight blocks away. I wear my mask always. The daily death toll is decreasing, but it’s in the 200s, which is, of course, devastating. I can’t envision when NYC will be reopening or what it’ll be like when it starts reopening.

      18 days ago
    • Molly72's Avatar
      Molly72

      Still closed up here, but I was forced to go to the U. of Michigan hospital for tests. I was shocked, no waiting, free masks given out, constant cleaning, & hardly any other patients around either. Big change in attitude as well, no condescending nurses & doctors this time. The times they are a changing!
      Everyone is wearing masks, well, let me amend that--- the crazy armed protestors at the capitol are not. Funny, they remember to bring their guns & dress up like he-man commandos, but forgot their masks. Bunch of wussies!
      No eating out in restaurants, no haircuts, no gyms. But that's ok.

      18 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      We had a bunch of those protesters here, I watched them on YouTube. I was routing for a visit from the "Murder Hornet" It would serve them right :) Governor Inslee has gone to stage 2 in a handful of trial counties. These will provide a blue print for the rest of the state.

      18 days ago
    • BuckeyeShelby's Avatar
      BuckeyeShelby

      Gov Dewine has started opening the state slowly. I still don't think it's time to reopen. Malls opened yesterday. I think restaurants open for patio service today. Hair salons, tattoo parlors, massage open I think at the end of the week. And I've discovered exactly how bad my medical PTSD is. I'm not ready to drag this stupid computer w/it's 2 monitors back into the office. My boss' wife is currently in treatment for breast cancer, so he sees me as having underlying medical issues. When they bring us back, they will do it a few at a time. I know I won't be the first one back in the office.

      17 days ago
    • BuckeyeShelby's Avatar
      BuckeyeShelby

      Oh, better yet. I just saw where Vegas is considering reopening the casinos... Yikes!

      17 days ago
    • Bengal's Avatar
      Bengal

      I just don't get tattoo parlors. Or, quite frankly, casinos. We will see a return of high numbers of cases and deaths by rushing to reopen. And those politicians who have said outright that a certain number of deaths is acceptable to save the ecomony? Are they willing to sacrifice their parents or siblings or children? Step right up folks.

      17 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      @BuckeyeShelby Every governor has a different idea of opening their state slowly. Our state has a whole different plan for vulnerable individuals. The general plan is a 4 phase plan. Right now we are in phase 1 until June 3rd. Outdoor recreation is allowed (fishing, golf and hiking) You must be masked and maintain a six foot distance from others. Oh yes look out for the Murder Hornets.
      Construction has been restarted with social distancing restrictions, Also Landscaping and pest control businesses have been opened. Also there needs to be 14 Days of steady decline in cases before we can move to the next phase. The way the plan is written you would not be forced back to work until after Labor Day.

      17 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      @Bengal, Sadly I think those politicians are completely willing to sacrifice their parents. After all they see old people as burdens. They are very cold hearted

      17 days ago
    • KB2013's Avatar
      KB2013

      JaneA, don’t think cancer pts will get vaccinated or those with known autoimmune diseases.

      17 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      KB2013 Why would those with autoimmune diseases be denied a vaccine? Of course in the rush to get a vaccine there may not be sufficient clinical trials to determine if the vaccine is safe for everyone but I understand there are several vaccines in development as well as several treatments. I also read somewhere that some immunotherapies for cancer were being studied as a basis for a vaccine

      17 days ago
    • KB2013's Avatar
      KB2013

      I have 2 autoimmune diseases and a cancer diagnosis so biologics aren’t available to me but, here’s a good article on why rushing any vaccine isn’t the norm: https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/here-s-why-we-can-t-rush-covid-19-vaccine

      17 days ago
    • LiveWithCancer's Avatar
      LiveWithCancer

      They've been opening up Texas more and more, too, but I am choosing to stay fairly quarantined at this time. I have been to the grocery store and I've met with friends a few times, but mostly, I've stayed in our little cocoon at home. And, since our daughter-in-law has not quarantined herself at all, I have purposefully not invited her here since the pandemic began in earnest in our state. Nor have I seen my 90-year-old mom since our state was shut down, just in case I have contracted the virus during my limited adventures.

      It is nice to know that more stores will be open should I wish to visit them ... and that if my hair starts driving me too crazy, I can go get it cut ... and that I can get my CT scan that was postponed for 3 months ...

      17 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      NM's Iron Lady is allowing people to hike and run without masks-It's getting hot. She picked a church and a gun dealer to fine $10,000 a day, and the NM Supreme Court backed her up-in case you are curious, the gun dealer owes the state $60,000.

      The Navajos finally got their $600 million. Even President Nez doesn't have running water, so half of it will gor for developing water. They were supposed to get their money way over a month ago. When Trump was in AZ for a rally about 2 weeks ago- Trump vowed to get the Navajos a few more millions, and Trump asked, if that would help the Navajos. President Nez, said that the Navajos would appreciate it, if they could get the legally approved 600 million that was over a month late.

      We've been doing take out-Nobody can go in, but take out is allowed. A little over 2 weeks ago I had to go to a hardware store, On the way home I decided to get some bread and Lysol-some fresh veggies. A woman ahead of me had her face covered with scarves. When she got in, she took it off. She came down the Lysol aisle, my cart was not blocking her at all, she walked up to me and coughed all over me. Nobody was around, I did complain when I checked out.

      When I got home, I wiped down the bags, put the bread away. Disinfected the truck's door handles, sterring wheel dash seats, console, brake shifter etc. I showered and washed my hair. washed my mask-I also put on clean clothes and threw the contaminated clothes in the washer--

      On the news that night the police tased and arrested a jerk that coughed in the face of the police then spit when they asked for his ID-bad driving-- you know, I wish that a cop had been with me. I won't go back to that store. I prefer the Walmart in the War Zone. Those people are so nice. They keep staff out to help people find things-make sure customers wear masks. or distance. People walk down an aisle- and everyone snugs up on their side of shelves--we face the shelves to reduce breathing germs.

      17 days ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool

      Meyati, I’m not shocked, unfortunately, by what you experienced. There are some very vicious people out there. I’m glad that the man who spat at the cop was tased and arrested. I wish your assailant had been, too.

      16 days ago
    • cllinda's Avatar
      cllinda

      We received a note from our church saying they plan on opening slowly. When over 50% of the Parrish is over 60, I think they need to really think this through. They say some masses will be done beginning May 30th but you won't see me or my checkbook until at least August.

      16 days ago
    • kalindria's Avatar
      kalindria

      Dunno how I feel about this. I hope we've waited long enough for the virus to dissipate but I fear we haven't. Fun fact, my grandmother caught Spanish flu when she was a student at University of Oregon in 1918. They sent her home by train! She was at home for a full year before the school opened back up. Perhaps we should be learning from the example of the past?

      In the meantime, I'm staying home except for chemo treatments. I'll take my advice from my oncology team. Governor Inslee may open our state back up but I still have immune issues to contend with. Wishing everyone here good health and happy times.

      16 days ago
    • LiveWithCancer's Avatar
      LiveWithCancer

      I was very pleased when I heard the church I attend has decided to delay opening for awhile. Our pastor is only 37 years old ... and much of the (large) congregation is young ... but he said in a video that he didn't want to be the person who was responsible for our most vulnerable populations (older folks and young kids ... like he said, "a three-year-old doesn't understand social distancing" ... and "how does a person keep his or her distance while changing a diaper?") I had already decided that I wasn't going back to the church building for a while - I was glad that our pastor is astute and empathetic enough to realize that many of us just aren't quite to that point yet.

      16 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      I talked with a lady from our congregation about opining up the church, she said that even if they have some services, they will continue to stream services for vulnerable individuals. Our pastor is also very vulnerable as he has ALS. Any way the 4 phase plan does not allow gatherings of over 50 until phase 4 phase 1 will be evaluated May 31 before any area can go to phase 2 it must show 14 days of steady decline in cases and the area must remain in each phase for at least 3 weeks.

      16 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      Most of the churches--Catholic cathedrals, small protestant-Catholic, sikh and Buddhist temples, mosques, etc. all abided by the health laws. Many seemed very happy to update and start using electronics with streaming, while obeying th law.

      The church in question is a megachurch-not the largest, but large. The first thing they did was go to court. The governor had the case expedited to the state supreme court. The court ruled against the church. Then they made their Sunday service with almost a 100 people in the production and others went in to watch. The Governor put out that other churches are able to make the production, while following the laws.

      This time that church went to the head of NM GOP, and he's appealing to Trump. The news interviewed other pastors, and they are buying packaged communion packs for individuals-which the problem church does not want to do, they have parking lot services,

      Sp, the state police are watching these .

      16 days ago
    • Molly72's Avatar
      Molly72

      meyati-- no one forces people to go to this church.
      Sounds like they are sheeples!!
      Really can't feel sorry for people who blindly follow others. Sounds like a cult like the one Jim Jones had, and we all know what happened to them.

      16 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      I never said that anybody forced anybody to go to church. The people-sheeple like it, and that's why they are happy to skip, in my opinion, common sense, but look at lots of people in Wisconsin. They aren't church people-but bar people.

      For me, while I would risk my life for something, I wouldn't risk anybody elses life. I think that you are the same way. I will add that lots of church es and their people here in NM are digging into their own reserves and having pop up food banks, gathering food and cleaning supplies to take to the Navajos. Most our churches stayed closed today, in spite of allowing 25% of the building occupancy in the church.

      13 days ago
    • Kebohs' Avatar
      Kebohs

      I live in the Delmarva, the southern coast of Delaware on the Maryland/Delaware border. They started phase 1 and we haven’t even flattened the curve here yet. This is a beach town and the hordes of tourists are storming the beaches and many are not social distancing or wearing masks. I’m staying in and only going out for essentials and doctor visits right now but, I plan to go out a little more at some point. Covid is going be around for a very long time so I realize we all can’t stay in forever but taking precautions to be safe for yourself and others is Important. We have so many battles as cancer survivors. Praying for an effective and safe vaccine.

      13 days ago
    • Bengal's Avatar
      Bengal

      My county has now gone a week with no new cases. Yay. But, This is the time the summer people start to come in. They come from, literally, all over the country. They have been asked to bring a two week supply of food with them and self isolate for the first two weeks. What are the chances of that happening in reality? My sister lives on a large lake well know as a fishing destination. She lives right next door to a motel which caters to fishermen (and women). She said this week the place had been hopping, nobody wearing masks. The only good news, they are only opening Wednesday through Sunday morning giving them Sunday trough Tuesday to thoroughly clean and disinfect. She is still a bit nervous being right next door though and avoids that side of her yard. This thing is far from over and I predict, even with very cautious, soft openings, we're headed for another rise in cases. I will continue to avoid crowded areas and wear a mask. A couple of days ago I had to go to Wal-Mart for a few things I couldn't get elsewhere. I hadn't been in that store for almost 2 months. I was very uncomfortable the who!e time I was in there.

      13 days ago
    • legaljen1969's Avatar
      legaljen1969

      Bengal, how do you feel about the contact tracing? I guess if you have no choice, that's one thing. I just feel like they want to make it sound very innocent like "we are looking out for you and wouldn't you want to know if you were near someone with COVID?" The reality is that they are "tracking" programs and apps designed to pinpoint our every move at any and every second. Such programs are already being proven to be used by domestic abusers to track and harass their victims and others associated with them.

      I want this virus to end as much as the next person, but I have some serious concerns about what is being done in the name of "safety" and "public health."

      12 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      KB2013 Thank you for the article. It was most interesting. I can't say I totally understand immunology but just after I read your article I saw a segment where a Dr. (Phd Biologist) was talking about using similar techniques to develop a vaccine

      12 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      legaljen unless we have testing and contact tracing there is no sense in lifting quarantine. And if criminals already have the technology to harass people why refuse to let that technology protect us.

      12 days ago
    • Bengal's Avatar
      Bengal

      I think contact tracing is a very necessary part of getting ahead, and staying ahead, of this virus which as yet has nothing medically to stop it. Intercepting those who have been exposed and isolating them so they cannot infect others, stopping that chain reaction, is our best defence. Here in my home county, when cases started increasing at a per capita rate higher than NYC, there were instances of people refusing to cooperate with tracers. One adjacent county has 17 confirmed cases. Another has only 14. This county has 194. Can't help but think that if contact tracers had been able to get their job done there wouldn't have been this high rate including deaths. I do not subscribe to paranoia.

      12 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      Legaljjen.-- nI don't understand why you are against primitive medicine that works, and it certainly is practiced like it used to be. They did contact tracing for TB, I know because on of my teacher contacted TB, and everyone she knew- students-other teachers, etc where talked to, for finding out who we were in contact with. They did this for bad measles cases, etc. and especially for sexually contracted diseases. It was federal law to answer--if one refused- they were guilty of a federal crime. Again I blame the ACLU for the craziness we have now and it is not impressed on people that public health is everybody's responsibility.

      For what it was worth-my teacher was court ordered to enter a TB sanitarium. She had no choice,
      Some military in Viet Nam contacted contagious and incurable diseases-mostly gonorrhea. The military and feds had 2 hospitals for the infected to live out their lives. One was at Alamogordo, NM, on a military base, and the other one was at a military base in Minnesota.

      If enough people refuse, and I hope COVID 19 spreads to the ACLU leaders if the government might pull out that old federal law and dust it off. good share of the homeless need mental health care. I still greatly resent how the ACLU destroyed American mental care. I used to volunteer in a food kitchen for a very long time, and every so often I would have a young male student that was developing schizophrenia or other problem. Males usually develop that in their teens into there late 20s. Women develop schizophrenia in their late 30s.

      12 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      Meyati you and I are of an age when most people were as aware of their responsibilities as they were of their rights. I remember being quarantined for measles (before there was a vaccine). The county hires several nurses one of their duties was to check on families under quarantine not only did they see that the patient was doing well but they also brought our groceries to us. No one thought there rights were violated by quarantine in fact they viewed it as their civic duty

      12 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      Those big yellow quarantine signs with huge black letters.. My grandsons know that in almost 6 months, my German grandmother buried 3 children from the Spanish Flu in 1918. A 3 month old son, a 5 or 6 year old son, and then the only daughter she had-18 years old-the week that she should have been married. Her beau was so distraught that he enlisted in the Army so he could die. My grandmother was very proud of me, because I was one of the very few that asked about him.

      I want my children to know the pain of this, which I think is helping them to understand this new pandemic. People today don't understand a mother locking herself up in a room with her sick child. One time that I know of, my grandmother stayed locked in for over 6 months. The several doctors that came couldn't agree on a diagnosis, but she stayed locked in until the fever left and the appetite returned.

      12 days ago
    • legaljen1969's Avatar
      legaljen1969

      I think the concept of contact tracing is quite appropriate.
      I object to the way it’s being implemented. With the technology we have today and the speed with which hackers overwhelm it, our entire medical histories will be on the evening news soon.
      We are accepting far too much government control when our government can’t even keep its story straight for more than a day or two. They don’t have a clue how many people have it or how bad or improved things are. The moment they say things are improving, the hysteria dies down and they have to whip up a frenzy again.
      I am doing everything they tell us to do. I’m not getting part of the problem. But for us to just roll over and accept this incredibly invasive form of contact tracing is going to be a hard sell for many. The mandate to allow the government complete control over our cell phones and the fact they are contemplating microchips for people? That doesn’t bother you at all?

      12 days ago
    • legaljen1969's Avatar
      legaljen1969

      I’m fine with staying closed down a bit longer. I’m enjoying the quiet life. I just worry about the slippery slope that’s going on. Mark my words after the election, the true numbers will finally come out and I think we will have a lot of shocked people either way. Either it’s not way worse than we know or it’s not nearly as bad.

      12 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      Oh, dear lord, they have been talking about chips since Star Trek was on in the 1960s. Sometimes it helps to have a bit of history in hearing these things. Politicians and scientists know that we'd bare our breast and charge the ramparts like the French Revolution. I turn my phone and car GPS off. If I leave the county or state IN NORMAL times, it is nobody's business, because I'm not on probation or parole. These are not normal times, and I'm staying home because times are not normal. .

      Did you read how I stopped at what's supposed to be a better class grocery store over 2 weeks ago? A woman-same race-went in with her face covered-she was in front of me-6 ft-and I saw her when I was getting in line. Once inside she pulled off her face covering, and went to the right. I went straight ahead to hunt for Lysol spray. I have a bad knee-so I walk slowly. She came down the aisle-bare face- I made sure that my cart and me were not in her way. She coughed on me. She didn't turn her head, she didn't put a hand up or cough in her elbow. if this ever happens again, I'm calling 911, because that is a felony assault since HIV. I'll let the police harass the
      store. would you really mind that probably crazy, demented woman be tracked before she really does hurt someone?

      Those red spots for cell phones on that Florida beach were reading GPS coordinates,. They did not read who the phones belonged to or where they went because they picked up the general signals, not individual signals. In Thailand they are doing what you are scared of, tracking individuals. The people gave their individual consent, and they had to get a special card in their phones. They swipe their phones when the enter a store, mall, library, clinic, hospital, and it leaves data that Jane Thai was there. When they leave, they swipe the phone again. Then if Jane Thai gets COVID 19, the Thai health department notifies everyone that was at Good Thai Shoes that they were exposed to COVID.

      look, I keep saying this, but cancer and cancer therapy makes people very anxious, fearful, sleep problems, worry, Me I was fearful, distrustful, etc. super suspicious. Things change, our temperaments change. A chaplain told me that cancer could be called the anxiety disease.

      Me, I still have my GPS turned off. What I'm doing is voting Democrat all of the way down, as hopefully we should get an administration where someone is head of the CDC that isn't under political pressure or worrying about being fired. The USS John McCain won't have to put out to sea, so the president won't get mad if he-she sees it. I think some stability in the government will help all of us. I know it will help me.

      12 days ago
    • BoiseB's Avatar
      BoiseB

      meyati I just had a phone conversation with my sister who lives in Eastern Idaho. They are opening up but she told me she will continue to shelter in place she said she doesn't know which scares her more the Covid-19 or the nutjobs with their AR-15s. Her friend had a similar experience to the one you just explained only her assailant was a big man with an AR-15. I really don't know what has happened to otherwise kind and intelligent people

      12 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      I'd be scared to even call the police, but I'd do it later, where I didn't have my head blown off.

      12 days ago
    • Carool's Avatar
      Carool

      Meyati, I couldn’t agree more with what you said.

      legaljen1969, as for not trusting the government, “the government” is a very broad label that covers the present-day federal government and all of the state and city governments (I know you of course know this). I distrust and fear the federal government we’ve had since 2016. I trust very much my state and city governments, as well as those presided over by other Democratic elected officials.

      At present, this country is in effect two (or more) countries, and we seem to be splitting further apart by the day. But this site isn’t, say, Facebook, where we can be fully political. I wouldn’t have again talked politics here had “the government” not come up. I trust and need my government’s help and support. “My government” just now happens to be only my state and city governments, not the government that takes our taxes but plays partisan politics by refusing to use our taxes to help us here in NY when we most need that help.

      12 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      Oh, one of my friends was almost kicked off of FB for making one of his regular comments.

      Something else funny ironic odd. Almost every week day- That Traitor Devon Nunes in Stockton-Fresno CA calls my house. I looked it up Friday. it is his office or home butt dialing me. What do you expect from a congressman that is suing an imaginary cow for 2.5 million? I know most of those dairymen are Russian conservatives that escaped communism by going through China. Would you believe the US Navy and Marines managed to get them out of China after WW2? CA helped

      You'd think their history would be having Nunes tarred and feathered, instead of being elected and re-elected over and over.. The modern GOP and its supporters are difficult to understand.. Nunes is the one that says Russia is a model country that tries to help us, and Putin is a real role model for integrity. And these people fled to China to escape Lenin and Stalin.

      12 days ago
    • Bengal's Avatar
      Bengal

      I will not get dragged into a political argument but just want to say this. Don't know where you get your information legaljen but in my county contact tracing consists of a handful of overworked public health employees on their phones trying to get paranoid people to talk to them and attempt to come up with a list of anyone they may have been in contact with during the period they may have carried the infection. Period. No apps, no phone tracers, no subterfuge. Just please help us find and protect other people who may be in a life-threatening situation. It's about respecting other people's right to be protected from a potential killer. The same reason we are asked to wear masks and avid contact..

      12 days ago
    • Molly72's Avatar
      Molly72

      If people are so worried about hackers stealing your precious smarty phones info, then don't have one! I don't, & have managed quite well without one sticking in my face 24/7.

      I think some here are getting very paranoid about government plots and control and such.
      We do have a potential dictator as current president, if you voted for him, then there should be no surprise and in November, vote him & his cronies out. Perhaps then, we can get our country back to normal.

      12 days ago
    • Teachertina's Avatar
      Teachertina

      Please express your political opinion in the voting booth in November, not here. I’m disappointed that a question here became political. This site is for support and comfort for those feeling anxious and worried about our cancer. Political arguments can be found all over the media. We don’t need that here.

      12 days ago
    • Bengal's Avatar
      Bengal

      Molly72! I thought I was the only person left in the world who does not yet have a "smarty" phone. Off subject but my family members come to "visit" me and never put their phones down. They are on them continuously. I ask them why they even bother to come. They even take them to bed with them! (Well, they have a built in flashlight.) First thing they do in the morning; last thing they do at night. It's an addiction. It's also incredibly rude.

      12 days ago
    • Bengal's Avatar
      Bengal

      Agreed, Teachertina. Sorry I allowed myself I get dragged into that. What was this thread about?

      12 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      Bengal-- You perfectly described the contact tracers in my state..I think they are the same everywhere in the US. They are only trying to stop deadly and crippling diseases.

      11 days ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      Teacherina--unfortunately- quarantine is now a political question, especially in any question forum.

      When we find questions and threads that we aren't interested in, most of us say---La (very French) la, this isn't appealing to me, and we don't hardly read any of the comments.

      The first year that I joined, a dear member was wearing a track suit that had a sock or 2 stuck in the sleeve. His wife saw that lump and she thought he had a new cancer. She was very distraught, until they found the sock. This dear member told us this and made some funny comments. We replied with concern and jokes about the poor lost sock. Then we started writing poetry about it-some doggerel.

      The member that shared this sock event participated, and then someone wrote almost the same words as you just did. Then those that say this needs to be solely focused on cancer and the cancer experience. That is OK for Whatnexters that have a common type of cancer, such as prostrate or breast cancer, but what about us that have/had rare cancers? The thought of only talking about cancer is exclusionary for whatnexters that have rare cancers. All of us, each and everyone one of us are far more than cancer. We almost never talk about politics. I think the last politic one was several years ago

      I don't know anything about breast or chest expanders. I read one and the comments because I was curious. I certainly didn't have anything to say, except maybe I wish you well. I don't have the slightest idea of Chemo, but I do know about radiation, and people have agreed with me or disagreed. When it comes to head radiation-other head patients agree.

      Now, I'll say-I wish you well. if you have a question that I'm not interested in, I won't comment one way or the other, and I'll find something that gives me comfort or I understand.

      11 days ago
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      Molly72

      Teachertina, this site talks about all subjects relating to our cancer, our health and our comfort & support. We talk about all sorts of interesting things & many times get off subject. No big deal!
      But when our government gets involved in our health, and turns it into a political football, it needs to be addressed. We need to stand up for each other, ourselves and our healthcare.

      As meyati also noted, there are some subjects here that I do not understand or agree with. So I don't enter into the conversation. Again, no big deal ---- live & let live.

      11 days ago
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      BoiseB

      This is a health forum Unfortunately the world has been hit by the worst health crisis in 100 years, maybe 700 years. That crisis is far from over. We as cancer survivors are particularly vulnerable individuals. Laws, legislation, guidelines, and information generated by all the governments from the UN to the mayors of the cities affect how that health crisis affects us. It might be noted that the word "quarantine" originated from that health crisis 700 years ago. And yes it was imposed by governments then. So I say as cancer survivors we have to be aware of the health crisis and that also involves how the government is directing their attention to the crisis to help or hinder us as vulnerable individuals

      11 days ago
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      Carool

      Thank you, Meyati, Molly, and BoiseB for what you just wrote. Yes, our governments’ policies affect our health. And Trump, McConnell, and others have politicized the availability of devices protecting us from the virus, so some of us feel compelled to bring up politics when a discussion centers around lifting quarantine. Trump has also very vocally encouraged his supporters to protest against Democratic governors, and some of those “protestors” — they’re terrorists, in the opinion of many — are carrying high-power rifles. And unmasked people have been insulting masked people (and vice verse). Our federal government leaders are not encouraging people to think of others rather than only themselves.

      So, yes, politics matters immensely now, as all of it can determine who’ll live and who’ll die. Politics isn’t the only factor, of course, but Trump and what he’s doing is adding confusion and stress to an already very stressful situation. He’s harming us, not helping us. And, again, when the topic arises here, as it did, giving our opinions is appropriate.

      11 days ago
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      Teachertina

      The government has a role in the healthcare systems in this country and we all have a role in how this government works. We the people, need to understand the legislations, regulations and rules that effect our lives every day. We have the power to change the things we disagree with. Arguing or name calling won’t change the hearts and minds of most people. I hope everyone with ideas and opinions will VOTE. If you decide not to, then you have lost your power to make the changes you want to see. Who you vote for is up to you. We all have a choice. Healthcare issues are higher on the agenda than ever. Whether we agree with how things are being handled during this crisis or not, we have choices to make. I hope we can be part of the solutions to the problems we are facing today. Take care of yourself and each other. Wishing you all better days ahead soon.

      11 days ago
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      Carool

      Teachertina, whom we vote for is what is most important now. Btw, no one here called any other WN member any names. Insulting elected officials or Trump works for me if those names are warranted. What also works for me is labeling as “terrorists” armed groups wielding AK-15s and entering a state capitol building.

      Voting is hardly the only way to effect change. Before we vote in November we talk amongst friends and on social media. We listen to commentators we trust. Our minds and hearts CAN be changed through discussions, though often most of us adhere to our beliefs no matter what. Voting is the end result; deciding whom to vote for happens before we vote. In my case, the two candidates are so unequal that there’s no question whatsoever whom I’ll vote for. To me and myriad others — the majority of our population — the future of our democracy depends on voting out a dictator and all those elected officials who enable him.

      I’m sorry in advance for pontificating here: My father fled Nazi Vienna. He lost his sister and mother in the Holocaust. And now we have another Hitler here in our country, and many who support everything he does and says. The lines are drawn. I and my secular-Jewish husband don’t want to flee to Canada. And my friends of many or no religions, who loath Trump, may also have to flee — if we’re not murdered first. This isn’t hyperbole. It CAN happen here and seems to be as I type this. Many are saying this. The upcoming presidential election results are a matter of life and death for many of us.

      11 days ago
    • Bengal's Avatar
      Bengal

      Just to clarify; I have no problem with discussions of issues that effect us and our health care that have, unfortunately, become very politicized. Where I draw the line is when the vindictiveness and name calling start to creep in. Let's not get sucked into the us against them game. Whatever our politics we all belong to the same exclusive club. On top of everything else we are facing with the pandemic, the government, whatever, we have a mutual enemy we face to varying degrees every single day. So, discuss? Yes. Express opinions? Absolutely. Disagree at times? Sure. But play nice.

      11 days ago
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      Molly72

      Of course we will vote, and we will fight in our own way to free our country from injustice and a corrupt government.
      We are not fighting each other, as some here might believe. If you disagree with some of our beliefs, we are open to listen to your opinions. But we expect the same in return.
      That's the American way, and we hope to keep it that way.

      P.S. Bengal-- several months ago I tried to buy a "Smart" phone. It was so intimidating and hard to use, I had to return it to the store. The 20 year olds working there are still laughing at me. The dam thing asked me how much I weighed when I finally screamed at it "go away". Did you know the device talks back to you?

      11 days ago
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      Bengal

      Getting back on topic; we got through a whole week with no new Covid19 cases confirmed. Yay! It must be all over. Not quite so fast folks. Today we had 3 new cases reported. And with relaxed restrictions I expect to see cases start to climb again. This thing is far from over.

      11 days ago
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      meyati

      The Navajos are still being hard hit. Unfortunately they lead The First Nations in deaths when something hits. The Navajos don't want the Norrhwest open. most of the people don't want that open, but 6 state senators from the Southeast of the state want the whole state opened. The Southeast hasn't had COVID very bad. I do not understand why people in one part of the state want to force something on a region that is struggling to stay alive. Of course, this is also along party lines.

      my county and the school district rented a nice small hotel for 3 months and they are housing students and their families -trying to give the parents a chance to go back to work and get their own housing- most of the students seem to be middle school. The school district is also providing a tutor to help the students. That's good. With us being on the border, the voters authorized emergency funds. Usually these funds and hotels- etc are used during the fire season.

      11 days ago
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      legaljen1969

      I would like to apologize to all I upset with my opinions and thoughts. Whether they were just not in line with your opinions, or they were stupid, ill-advised and uninformed, they are not welcome and don't belong here. I guess that's what I get for believing I am allowed to have a voice in this world. I have known all my life that that I didn't, and for some stupid reason I thought maybe I would try one more time.
      I do sincerely apologize.

      10 days ago
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      BoiseB

      Legaljen you have no need to apologize. The question asked for opinions even more it asked for feelings. Now how can we have a discussion when everyone has the same opinion. Of course I like to have facts to back-up opinions but that is just because I am a retired librarian We all have a right to disagree with opinions. What we need to do is refrain from name calling . And I absolutely cannot find any name calling in any of your posts.

      10 days ago
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      meyati

      Legaljen--you do have a voice, but others don't need to agree. That is part of a discussion.

      About 10 years ago, in Whatnext, I was told to leave America, because I stood with the right to protest. The difference is these protesters of today are posing a health risk. Those back then were not posing a health risk to anyone. Nobody here has to;d you to leave America and nasty things.

      I will tell you what I told those Whatnexters. America was settled with people that disagreed with their governments. We protested-Boston Tea Party for one- we rebelled and went to war- and we won. Then we had to keep fighting against the British for our independence. People and families that didn't get along too well moved west- Daniel Boone comes to mind. My German side of the family did that. My German grandmother's family fled the Hamburg Duchy, because they printed out pamphlets about voting for local officials, instead of the Duke-prince or whatever he was appointing his lackeys.

      I still support the right of people to protest, as long as they do not endanger anybody--especially a child or older people. This COVID 19 is killing people. Almost every plague/illness is human to human infection-leprosy, 1918 Spanish Flu, HIV, flus, chicken pox, whooping cough, so why would people treat this any differently? and this really kills, a whole lot.

      Having people disagree with you, does not mean that you don't have a voice. It means they heard you and disagreed.

      I respect people that I disagree with, but that is getting hard to do, because oeople take it personally. Remember how they say- Don't talk about religion or politics? There's a reason for that.

      I didn't see where anybody called anybody a name in this question-Yoy didn't and we didn't. We are more open about this in FB, Twitter. For me it's the Washington Post. When Republicans say they are sorry- these jerks call them names and tell them they already sold their souls. I get after the jerks, and I apologize to those changing their minds about Trump and feel disappointed.

      Anyway, you have a voice and mind. You just can't expect people to change their minds, which is what you said, yourself..

      9 days ago
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      meyati

      ProPublica revealed last week that Zach Fuentes, President Donald Trump’s former deputy chief of staff, formed a company in early April and 11 days later won a $3 million contract with IHS to provide specialized respirator masks to the agency for use in Navajo hospitals. The contract was granted with limited competitive bidding.

      The masks were double the normal price and the masks were not usable.

      2 days ago
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      Bengal

      That is unconscionable. Also doesn't surprise me in the least. I know alot of bad words and things like this make me want to scream them all. People of conscience need to make themselves heard. VOTE!

      2 days ago
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      Carool

      @meyati @Bengal, I’m not surprised, either. Den of thieves.

      2 days ago

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