• What if treatment doesn't work- longevity

    Asked by meyersc2 on Saturday, September 28, 2013

    What if treatment doesn't work- longevity

    What happens if chemo treatment fails? How long will my dad potentially live? 3 months, 6? It has spread to his lympth nodes from the head of the pancreas.

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    • CAS1's Avatar
      CAS1

      What did the Dr. say?

      over 7 years ago
    • geekling's Avatar
      geekling

      No one on Earth can answer your question.

      It is possible, assuming the treatment doesn't work, that resolve will be strengthened and some alternative treatment will help.

      Conventional treatments are not the only miracles in the Universe.

      Everyone on this board has, to date, outlasted some sort of cancer.

      For me, it is well over a decade.

      Look up graviola, chaga, artemisinin, Gerson, nigella sativa and more before you wish your Dad a fond adieu.

      over 7 years ago
    • Blue's Avatar
      Blue

      Problem is you don't know without experiencing the effects of treatment,

      over 7 years ago
    • Clyde's Avatar
      Clyde

      No one can answer that question. Cancer is very individual. Best thing to do is for him to live his life as if he has forever in his sights and take it one day at a time. Look up the treatments geekling mentions (and any other you may hear of), take them to his doctor for consultation and keep fighting, but most of all, don't give up. It ain't over til the fat boy sings.

      over 7 years ago
    • elissa5's Avatar
      elissa5

      None of us have expiration dates. The Dr.s only guess...I agree with geekling. Try natural remedies...look into these. Wheatgrasss, Turmeric, AHCC Mushroom , Fucoidian...Budwig diet(cold pressed Flax seed Oil and cottage cheese blended with berries).Astragalus.

      A book Cancer Step outside the Box by Ty Bollinger. I am stage 4 and will try everything someone suggests, once I research it myself.

      Just breath, research and help your Dad stay positive and enjoy life. Have him live his life...not his cancer. Sometimes that is hard, but it's all we got. Stay Strong

      over 7 years ago
    • JMS's Avatar
      JMS

      Dear meyersc2 - I have a question for you: what type of chemo was your father receiving? There are several types that tend to be applied to pancreatic cancer patients (usually starting with Gemzar, then moving on to Folfirinox - especially following a metastasis - and then to a combination of Gemzar and the newly FDA approved Abraxane). So, it may be that one of the others could be tried. Then there could be the possibility of getting into a T-cell trial (something I'm working on now). Obviously, I don't know the specific details of your dad's situation, but there may well be additional options out there that you and your family might want to consider. Best of luck and regards to you all. JMS

      over 7 years ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      Hi, my father wasn't expected to live even 6 months, and they said 6 months would be a miracle. He died 3 years later. That 3 years was filled with desert hunting trips, walking for miles, with all of us carrying rifles, ammo, water and rabbits.. We fished along the Colorado and Missouri Rivers, beating our way through brush and brambles. He still helped his friends with roundups, but a day of roping was too much for his surgery sites. One day my Dad was down, and he commented about his surgery scars. It was sad and funny. They asked to see the scars. My dad showed them. Guys dropped their pants, pulled up shirts or took them off. A rank horse through itself on me, and a fence broke my fall-so that took out my spleen that was on a ranch new Cheyenne, This was from a bullet that got me while on a B-29-then he dropped his pants and these are burns from when we crash landed on Iwo. This from where I was shot in the gut in Aachen, this is from a car wreck in Oklahoma. I was a 12 year-old girl staring at all of these cowboys that got shot in the butt on Iwo, got stomped by bucking horses, carved up in bar fights.

      Be supportive of your father. Let him live the life that he wants. If your father wants to go to a fishing hole or something-let him, and when he has to stop, even if he stays in bed for a week, don't get after him-don't nag him. If all he wants to do is to watch TV and let out an occassional moan. Tell him that you love him and let him do what he wants. Everybody else gave you medical advise and some good ideas for emotional suppot. So, I'll quit while I'm ahead. Take care of yourself too. I've been there.

      over 7 years ago
    • tibby150's Avatar
      tibby150

      think positive!!! they gave me 3 months to live....I'm still here 3 years later.....i too had 1 in 3 lymph nodes metacized ....i was given gemzar and radiation and xeloda.....praying for your dad...what's his name?

      over 7 years ago
    • meyersc2's Avatar
      meyersc2

      Clyde- This fat boy is going to never sing if I or the doctors or my mom have anything to do with it! Thank you.
      Blue- That's true and we will see.
      Geekling- Thank you fro the things to research, I will asap. I really appreciate it. And the fond adieu. Thank you.
      Elissa5- Thank you for the book title, I will look it up. We are definitely willing to try new things too.
      Innadoon- thanks for the hop, we are putting on the gloves - or heck just the fists.
      JMS- I am not sure exactly myself, I'd have to ask my mother. I know it's a new clinical trial study at Johns Hopkins University. Only a few people qualify and he did. He had the Whipple procedure. Unfortunately though today he was taken back to the hospital for GI bleeding. He was throwing up black stuff.
      Meyati- Thanks for your insightful words. I try to laugh with him when I can. Laughing has always helped us get through the best and worst and all that stuff between, but especially through the dark. I am going to feed him mallomars at this point if that's what puts a smile on his wonderful face. He's the best friend I could ever have. I love him with my whole heart, and my mother does too.
      Tibby- Wow! I'll look them both up. His name is Rich. thank you so much

      over 7 years ago
    • Russ' Avatar
      Russ

      Hello Meyersc2, Don't start playing the what if game. Don't do that to yourself...you'll lie in bed all night thinking what if this doesn't work? What if this? What if that? Stop the what ifs! Start thinking about...yeah why not? Sure we can do that! Let's try it? Start thinking positive! If you don't your father will know, he can sense it. If he is physically able to do so...get him out if the house every day...every day. Don' t let him sit in the house all day thinking about the what ifs. He'll talk himself into a state of depression. I don't care if he can't walk that far...get him out of the house everyday...on some nature walks. The first day that I was home from surgery I walked every day...not very far at first, but eventually I was able to walk around the block. Then I started my treatments, and if I couldn't walk too far I would sit on the stoop in the sun...it felt so good. I don' t mean to sound like I have all the answers, but myself and all those people who gave some names of some alternative medicine, some other ideas...we have all been there, and many of us were given early death sentences...and look at us now! We beat it! In the words of Jimmy Valvano..."don't give up...don't ever give up."
      Best you you and your father...
      Russ

      over 7 years ago
    • meyati's Avatar
      meyati

      @meyersc2--I'm glad that humor and laughter is part of your diet. It helps a lot. I remember when my father's body was wasted and he cried. He always took care of himself, lived a healthy life, was an Army Sgt for 8 years, then he lost an eye. He won Army and civilian boxing titles. Then he weighed about 50 lbs-fly weight to begin with-and he cried about his loss, and he cried about why. I just turned 13, and I had to help him turn over, sit up. He wanted my brother and I to know that he hadn't always been this way. No matter how young you are, a person usually has the sense to say, "I love you Daddy. I don't care. I love you so much." and that can get them crying more, but it's better than saying nothing. My brother ran out crying, he's 2 years younger than I. My mother was working at North American, so it fell on me and my brother. we played lots of checkers with my father.

      over 7 years ago
    • zippymaus' Avatar
      zippymaus

      I'm in the same boat right now. My mother's cervical cancer had activity in one para aortic lymph node. Then she had it spread to a brain tumor, which they got with radiation treatment. She's had radiation to the cervical cancer and lymph node, as well a brachy and chemo. But she had another bleed last Saturday at 2AM after over a year without any. The PET scan from July showed a small amount of progression of the cervical cancer, and they're assuming that's what's caused the bleeding. I'm wondering if it isn't from when they put her on Percocet or the other painkiller Vicodin she was on previously. Because this seems to have started about a week after she began pain meds. They're saying "6 months max with no treatment maybe a year with" without even examining her. She's to get examined on Monday (yes, they're making her wait while bleeding for over a week) and the dr. said she's going to tell her she needs to think about hospice. SHE HASN'T EVEN EXAMINED HER YET! The pelvic ultrasound showed no new tumors when we were in the ER on Saturday and the bleeding has slowed considerably. Her radiologist said, depending on what the oncologist says after the exam, he'll see how we should proceed. He's the only one of her doctors who doesn't seem to be writing her off as an old woman who has cancer and we can expect her to just die any time.

      Other than the bleeding, my mother actually looks better and has been feeling better in the last few weeks. She has very little appetite, but does get a little food down and drinks several Ensures each day to keep her nutrition up. I'm hoping to get her iron injections or something to help given the bleeding. I don't understand how anyone can say "no chance" or give a timeline when I see so many people here who have defied the odds. Momma is a fighter and today is her birthday (not the present we wanted for her). If your father is a fighter, then as long as he breathes, he has a chance.

      Stick by your father and honor his wishes. If he wants to fight, fight with him. If the doctors say there's nothing they can do, don't believe that. Miracles happen. People have unexpected turnarounds. Remember, these are the same trained professionals who claim coma patients will be "vegetables" and some of them wake up miraculously and are just fine. I respect the doctors and am grateful for them, but as Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over 'til it's over."

      Bless you all.

      over 7 years ago

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